Need "Stab" Stat (Bet IP vs my missed Cbet)

[walter1953]

Hi,

can't find this important stat on the download page

example if it is not clear what i mean:
I openraise preflop, a villain IP calls my openraise. flop comes. I don't cbet (so I check), and now the villain bets (a so called "stab"). wanna know now how often a player is doing that.

when I searched for "stab" in the forum, an other guy asked for that, and you guys said this would be the "float" stat. but a "float" is a little different:
I openraise preflop, a villain IP calls my openraise. flop comes. I cbet, he calls my cbet, and then bets out the turn if I check to him.


Thanks for your help



besides:
somehow the search engine for stats doesn't work very well

[walter1953]

I just see there are different float stats for every street


would my searched "stab" stat be float Flop, right?

and my second example concernig float which I have written above would be the stat float Turn, right?


is this in gerneral just IP or are OOP floats also included and then taken the average from IP and OOP?
(of course an OOP float is only possible after turn, not on flop)

[kraada]

Float Flop is definitely what you want for your first situation. Floats have to be in position; out of position it's a Donk instead.

[walter1953]

ok, thank you


last thing is, that there is no exact definition in the configure statistics tab what a donkbet for PT3 is. please help me understand

for following example: villain is openraises in CO and I am hero in the BB and call his openraise, flop comes

donkbet flop:
hero bets out the flop; that is a donkbet, right?
it wouldnt count as a donkbet if the pot was unraised, right?

donkbet turn:
1.) the flop went: I checked, villain cbets, I called
I bet the turn; that counts as a donkbet, right?

2.) the flop went: I checked, villain checked behind
I bet the turn; that counts as well as a donkbet, right?

so it doesnt make a difference if the flop went check/check or check/cbet/call, right? or does it?


thanks for your help about this annoying questions



I just see, there is a stat called "probe bet". maybe that helps me out?

so in my donkbet turn examples:
point 2 would count as a probe bet, point 1 not, right?

so "probe bet" does make a difference if the flop went check/check or check/cbet/call, right?

[WhiteRider]

Your donk bet flop example is correct.

For the turn, #1 is a donk but #2 is not.
As you suggest, #2 is a probe bet. A "turn probe" is a turn bet out of position after the preflop aggressor checked behind on the flop. You cannot "probe" if the preflop aggressor made a continuation bet on the flop and you called. If you bet out on the turn that would be a donk bet.

[jojoiso]

but the "Probe bet" has necessary conditions to be small to pot

[kraada]

No, in PT terminology a probe bet is the same as a "bet vs missed cbet out of position" - the bet size is irrelevant.

[jojoiso]

No, in PT terminology a probe bet is the same as a "bet vs missed cbet out of position" - the bet size is irrelevant.

in position on turn and river, would it be the probe bet too ?

[jojoiso]

No, in PT terminology a probe bet is the same as a "bet vs missed cbet out of position" - the bet size is irrelevant.

And why PT make the different meaning of well-known definition of this term ?

[kraada]

That name was used several years ago as there's no standard meaning for a "probe bet" in poker - it's just a small feely-ish kind of bet. That's not rigorous enough to ever use in stats by itself, so we can use it the word in a more useful way. It's a lot less cumbersome than the alternative. A Probe bet is always out of position. A Float bet is always in position on the same street after the player who had the lead did not bet.