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ALL In EV Bug

Postby cneuy3 » Sun May 16, 2021 7:12 am

Hello, This hand shows up as -56.46 All In adjusted BB in my database. Obviously I lose the hand but I've noticed that hands like these are sometimes tracked wrong in my database as All In adjusted I'm clearly positive in this hand. Can you explain why it produces these results for that stat?
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Re: ALL In EV Bug

Postby cneuy3 » Sun May 16, 2021 7:13 am

PokerStars Hand #226799458896: Tournament #3190725408, $10+$10+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (100/200) - 2021/05/16 14:11:32 CUST [2021/05/16 3:11:32 ET]
Table '3190725408 17' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: mattsimm248 (10310 in chips, $10 bounty)
Seat 2: PSwsop (1675 in chips, $10 bounty)
Seat 3: Bluff me 911 (9602 in chips, $10 bounty)
Seat 4: I bankomat (4880 in chips, $10 bounty)
Seat 5: Dog Stray (11498 in chips, $20 bounty)
Seat 6: Gamer117 (5591 in chips, $10 bounty)
Seat 7: playing_888 (12921 in chips, $15 bounty)
Seat 8: LeVraiMike (11323 in chips, $15 bounty)
Seat 9: cneuy3 (14602 in chips, $15 bounty)
mattsimm248: posts the ante 30
PSwsop: posts the ante 30
Bluff me 911: posts the ante 30
I bankomat: posts the ante 30
Dog Stray: posts the ante 30
Gamer117: posts the ante 30
playing_888: posts the ante 30
LeVraiMike: posts the ante 30
cneuy3: posts the ante 30
PSwsop: posts small blind 100
Bluff me 911: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cneuy3 [Td Th]
I bankomat: folds
Dog Stray: folds
Gamer117: folds
playing_888: folds
LeVraiMike: raises 400 to 600
cneuy3: calls 600
mattsimm248: folds
PSwsop: raises 1045 to 1645 and is all-in
Bluff me 911: calls 1445
LeVraiMike: raises 9648 to 11293 and is all-in
cneuy3: raises 3279 to 14572 and is all-in
Bluff me 911: folds
Uncalled bet (3279) returned to cneuy3
*** FLOP *** [9s 9d Qh]
*** TURN *** [9s 9d Qh] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [9s 9d Qh 5s] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LeVraiMike: shows [Qd As] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
cneuy3: shows [Td Th] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
LeVraiMike collected 19296 from side pot
PSwsop: shows [Js Ah] (a pair of Nines)
LeVraiMike collected 6850 from main pot
LeVraiMike wins $5 for eliminating PSwsop and their own bounty increases by $5 to $20
PSwsop finished the tournament
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 26146 Main pot 6850. Side pot 19296. | Rake 0
Board [9s 9d Qh 5s Kh]
Seat 1: mattsimm248 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: PSwsop (small blind) showed [Js Ah] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 3: Bluff me 911 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: I bankomat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Dog Stray folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Gamer117 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: playing_888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: LeVraiMike showed [Qd As] and won (26146) with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 9: cneuy3 showed [Td Th] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
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Re: ALL In EV Bug

Postby Flag_Hippo » Sun May 16, 2021 1:51 pm

All-in adjusted equity is not calculated in hands like this where a player calls an all-in and then subsequently folds ('Bluff me 911' in your example). When further actions are possible after more information becomes available then those players who can act have further choices and only the stronger hands are likely to get to showdown (with weaker hands folding) and this would introduce a bias against you in the results. Therefore in cases like this the net adjusted result just matches the actual result of the hand (so the net adjusted graph follows the actual result and it only diverges one way or another in hands where all-in equity is calculated).
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