Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby ElHive » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:44 pm

There are 4 tournaments incomplete since the Ongame client freezed during 2 or 3 sessions and I still have to get the full HHs from Betfair.
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby ElHive » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:44 pm

I did a little more digging.

Take this hand for example (Hand 43 in the HH I uploaded in my support ticket https://www.pokertracker.com/contact/ti ... _id=124398 )


OnGame - $11.00+$0.00|100/200 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 2,580.00
Hero (BB): 2,570.00
BTN: 2,350.00

SB posts ante 20.00, Hero posts ante 20.00, BTN posts ante 20.00, SB posts SB 100.00, Hero posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 360.00) Hero has 8c 8h

BTN calls 200.00, fold, Hero raises to 2,550.00 and is all-in, BTN calls 2,130.00 and is all-in

Flop: (4820.00, 2 players) 2c 9h As

Turn: (4820.00, 2 players) 3h

River: (4820.00, 2 players) 4c

Hero shows 8c 8h (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 67%, Flop 81%, Turn 68%)
BTN shows 5h Kh (Straight, Five High) (Pre 33%, Flop 19%, Turn 32%)
BTN wins 4,820.00

PT4 shows the following ICM Equities for this hand:

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And they are all wrong.

My true ICM-Equity at the beginning of the hand is 34.068% or 17,034$
My true ICM-Equity at the end of the hand is 4.066% or 2.033$

If i win this hand my ICM-Equity is 56.880% or 28.44$

So my ICM EV-Equity should be (56.880 * 0.67) + (4.066 * 0.33) = ~39.45% or 19,725$
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby kraada » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:51 pm

We'll definitely look into this in your ticket and find out what is going on here.
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby ElHive » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:25 pm

I think u'll find this info very helpful:

Every tournament i finish 3rd (aka as bubbleboy) PT4 gives my stack at the beginning of the tournament an ICM-Equity of 12% where it should be 20%. I bust as 4th or 5th i have 20% ICM Equity at the beginning and if I make it ITM I also have 20% ICM Equity to start with.

So if that means that 40% of the pricepool is not taken into calculations everytime I bust as 3rd then there is the reason why the Net adjusted Graph is so way off.
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby kraada » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:53 pm

That would explain it - I'll make sure the programmer in charge of ICM related functionality sees your post.

Thanks!
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby baisuoklis » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:34 am

I am having the same problem with pokerstars hyper turbo 6 max, everytime I am busting before the money they will count my cnet Adjusted ok, but if I am going to get into money it will count like 26.17% of the prizepool for the first and 14.07% of the prizepool for the second ( so basically we are losing 60% of the prizepool and we have only HU prizepool)
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby Yogi Rob » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:03 am

The bug has been found and fixed. Elhive's calculations are correct. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby ElHive » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:24 pm

I think I may have found another bug. At least there is a discrepancy between the EV-calculations I did and PT4s calculations:

Hand #1

ID: T5-258566877-12

Spoiler: show
OnGame - $11.00+$0.00|25/50 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 1,035.00
SB: 1,600.00
Hero (BB): 1,620.00
UTG: 1,425.00
CO: 1,820.00

SB posts SB 25.00, Hero posts BB 50.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 75.00) Hero has 9c 9s

fold, fold, BTN calls 50.00, SB calls 25.00, Hero raises to 225.00, BTN calls 175.00, fold

Flop: (500.00, 2 players) 8s 5c Kh
Hero bets 250.00, BTN raises to 500.00, Hero raises to 1,250.00, BTN calls 310.00 and is all-in

Turn: (2120.00, 2 players) Ah

River: (2120.00, 2 players) Js

BTN shows Th Jh (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 49%, Flop 31%, Turn 41%)
Hero shows 9c 9s (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 51%, Flop 69%, Turn 59%)
BTN wins 2,120.00


Start 21.511%
Win 33.812%
Lose 8.288%

EV: 25.8459596%

EV PT4: 26.53%

Difference: 0.68%

Hand #2

ID: T5-258566233-23

Spoiler: show
OnGame - $11.00+$0.00|50/100 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 1,930.00
Hero (UTG): 4,265.00
BTN: 1,305.00

BB posts BB 100.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 100.00) Hero has 8h 8d

Hero raises to 200.00, fold, BB raises to 1,930.00 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,730.00

Flop: (3860.00, 2 players) 3d 3h Qd

Turn: (3860.00, 2 players) 7h

River: (3860.00, 2 players) 9d

BB shows Ac 2d (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 29%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 8h 8d (Two Pair, Eights and Threes) (Pre 71%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 3,860.00


Start 49.312%
Win 63.040%
Lose 33.665%

EV: 54.397875%

EV PT4: 55.09%

Difference: 0.69%

Hand #3

ID: T5-258570683-23

Spoiler: show
OnGame - $11.00+$0.00|75/150 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 1,830.00
SB: 2,045.00
BB: 1,835.00
Hero (UTG): 1,790.00

SB posts SB 75.00, BB posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 225.00) Hero has 7h 7c

Hero raises to 1,790.00 and is all-in, fold, SB raises to 2,045.00 and is all-in, fold

Flop: (3730.00, 2 players) Js 8d As

Turn: (3730.00, 2 players) 2d

River: (3730.00, 2 players) 9c

SB shows Ad Kh (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 45%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows 7h 7c (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 55%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 3,730.00


Start 24.021
Win 44.477
Lose 0

EV: 24,4534546

EV PT4: 27,02

Difference: 2,57%

Especially the difference in Hand 3 is huge IMO.

I uploaded the 3 Handhistories into the existing Support-Ticket.
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby Yogi Rob » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:48 pm

you may want to check the #s in "Hand 1" I'm seeing 34.07% for your win, giving 26.02% as the result.

The other two examples will match perfectly when you have the update. Thanks for keeping us on our toes.
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Re: Ongame 5max Turbos EV Adjusted wrong

Postby ElHive » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:36 pm

I'm pretty sure 33,812% is right:

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I'm thinking u added an extra 50 Chips to Heros stack for the BB which u don't have to do since hero posted the BB.
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