Best stat for working on hero calls?

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Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby PokerBot » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:18 pm

I am looking for the best stat to gauge how my progress is going with regards to hero calling issues

The call river efficiency stat doesn't seem to be a very good indicator or am i just not using it correctly? Is it simply the higher the better?

WTSD doesn't seem to change much even though i definitely folded a lot more in a certain session, maybe that is because its an MTT with all ins pre get counted as getting to showdown? If so is there a stat for WTSD excluding preflop all ins?
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby potamito » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:32 am

First, you need to define what do you understand by "hero calling"? What type of situation do you refer as a "hero call"? That way we might be able to help you.
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby PokerBot » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:18 am

I assumed it obviously related to river calls
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby Flag_Hippo » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:54 am

PokerBot wrote:The call river efficiency stat doesn't seem to be a very good indicator or am i just not using it correctly? Is it simply the higher the better?

This is the ratio of the total amount won on the river vs the total amount called on the river and only hands that are river calls and check-calls are used for this calculation (bet-calls and raise-calls are excluded) so while a very high value is 'better' it might not be optimal if a player is overfolding in those spots.
PokerBot wrote:WTSD doesn't seem to change much even though i definitely folded a lot more in a certain session, maybe that is because its an MTT with all ins pre get counted as getting to showdown? If so is there a stat for WTSD excluding preflop all ins?

You can do that with a custom statistic - see this thread.
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby PokerBot » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:25 am

I have been trying to do this myself but cannot figure it out

Why do you guys not post these custom stats into the repository instead of making 100s or more players manually create this and other stats themselves?

Please create the stat for me or give me detailed instructions on how to accomplish this

Thanks
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby Flag_Hippo » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:49 am

PokerBot wrote:I assumed it obviously related to river calls

Yes that much is obvious but how exactly do you want to define your hero call statistic? Is it a percentage where:

Number Of Hero Calls (Won Hand)/Number Of Hero Calls (Total) * 100

or maybe you just want the amount won when hero calling? Furthermore what hand strengths on what board textures would constitute a hero call? Does the pot size, bet size and/or relative bet size matter?
PokerBot wrote:I have been trying to do this myself but cannot figure it out

Let us know where you are having trouble and post anything you have created so far and we can assist further.
PokerBot wrote:Why do you guys not post these custom stats into the repository instead of making 100s or more players manually create this and other stats themselves?

Sorry but I don't have the time to create customs statistics for everybody and the custom statistic functionality exists in order for customers to be able to create what they want and/or download existing statistics from the Download Warehouse or this forum.
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby PokerBot » Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:03 am

To be honest i don't really know what formula or syntax i would want to use

I want to gauge how many "light" call downs on the river; this is obviously extremely difficult to pin down as you said with different board textures, pot/bet size etc

So do you reccomend simply having the WTSD stat or WTS stat and then filtering out by creating a snew/sub stat that doesn't include preflop all ins but also excludes flop and turn all ins
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby WhiteRider » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:18 am

It really depends on exactly what you want to look at, and without knowing that we can't really advise what to filter for or which stats to use. If you can define exactly what you're trying to do we'll be happy to help you.
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby PokerBot » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:00 am

I guess what i want is just a general stat for how often i call a river bet and loose vs. how often i call a river bet and win

It would also be nice to be able to have the bb/100 for those river calls
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Re: Best stat for working on hero calls?

Postby Flag_Hippo » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:37 am

PokerBot wrote:I guess what i want is just a general stat for how often i call a river bet and loose vs. how often i call a river bet and win

There is a built-in statistic called 'WSD % After Call River' which will tell how often you win a hand when you call on the river. This statistic includes calls of raises so if you don't want that you can add this information to the default columns to create a custom statistic for that:

Code: Select all
tourney_hand_player_statistics.amt_r_bet_facing > 0 and lookup_actions_r.action SIMILAR TO '(C|XC)'

PokerBot wrote:It would also be nice to be able to have the bb/100 for those river calls

You can see the winrate by filtering a report, with the BB/100 statistic included, for calling river bets but if you want to see the value without filtering the report you would need to build a custom statistic for that.
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