One stat for Folding to a Bet AND a Raise (and a 3Bet, etc)

[rowhousepd]

This may seem like a dopey question, but I can't seem to find a built-in stat that would show how one responds (specifically how often one folds) to aggression or raises of any kind -- to a first-in bet and a raise and a 3bet and 4bet.

I primarily want this stat for a HUD table average display. Because of the tight on-screen real estate, I wanted a simple stat to glance at that would show how often players at a table (perhaps a table I'm just observing ;) ) respond to aggression in general, to any kind of aggression -- like someone betting in front of them, raising, re-raising ... anything. I basically wanted something that could tell me the overall passiveness / likelihood that aggression would force a fold, as opposed which specific kinds of betting/raising would push opponents out.

Is this one of the many stats available in PT3, or would I need to create it? Thanks.

[kraada]

There are a few that are close:

Fold %, Flop Fold %, Turn Fold % and River Fold %. The thing that makes these specific stats potentially not match what you're looking for is that any time they could have taken an action is considered a "fold opportunity".

So if the flop action is A bets, B raises, A 3bets, B 4-bet shoves, and A folds, A's Flop Fold % is 1/3.

If those aren't exactly what you want, you would need to build a custom stat for this specific situation, though you could do it using existing columns.

Click Configure --> Configure Statistics, click Holdem Cash Player Statistics and go to the Stats tab.

You want to create a new stat with the value expression:
(cnt_f_fold / (cnt_f_bet_def_opp + cnt_f_raise_def_opp + cnt_f_3bet_def_opp + cnt_f_4bet_def_opp)) * 100

This is how often a player folds on the flop divided by how often they face a bet, raise, 3bet or 4bet (and 4bet includes 5bet, 6bet etc.), so that should be all options unless a person is going to be open-folding (in which case though you really want Flop Fold % anyway). You can substitute for _f_ using _t_ for turn and _r_ for river (and for a total, just add flop turn and river on the numberator and denominator and that will give you stats for all streets).

On the format tab, make sure to fill in the title title, width and you want /%.2f as both format expressions.

[rowhousepd]

While I was waiting for a response, I started jotting down a way I might to get this stat (in this case for just the flop): I'd tally ALL the instances of folding (to a bet, a cbet, a raise, etc.) and add them up, then I'd divide that total by the sum of ALL the times the player was facing those scenarios (facing a bet, cbet, etc.). I was thinking something like this:

(cnt_f_bet_def_action_fold +
cnt_f_cbet_def_action_fold +
cnt_f_raise_def_action_fold +
cnt_f_3bet_def_action_fold +
cnt_f_4bet_def_action_fold) /
(cnt_f_bet_def_opp +
cnt_f_cbet_def_opp +
cnt_f_raisebet_def_opp +
cnt_f_3bet_def_opp +
cnt_f_4bet_def_opp) * 100

Is that essentially another (less graceful) way of getting the results that your query would get? Or would it get something different?

[kraada]

You don't need the cbet actions; cbets are a subset of bets, and if you added those in cbet spots would actually be counted twice.

You could create a custom column that looks cleaner on the statistics tab, but once you create the stat it won't make any difference and that won't result in your stat being displayed any faster so honestly I don't think it's worth the trouble.

[rowhousepd]

Ah, I didn't realize that in PT3, cbets were a subsection of plain 'ol regular bets. Anyhow, thank you! It works brilliantly. :D

[rowhousepd]

Actually, I just realized something about what you said....

You don't need the cbet actions; cbets are a subset of bets, and if you added those in cbet spots would actually be counted twice.

If this is the case and "bets" is the overarching category for all kinds of bets, then how would you designate a non-continuation bet? As I understand it, a continuation bet is when someone bets on a street, gets callers, and then bets/opens again on the following street. What about the scenario where, for example, you are on the river and you face a first-in bet after every player (including him) checked around previously on the turn? If that person didn't bet on the previous street (or perhaps at all so for in the hand), how you would designate that kind of bet, which technically isn't a cbet? It seems like cnt_f_bet_def_opp would include both kinds of best, no?

Also by this logic, are 3bets & 4bets subsets "raise"? Thus, wouldn't cnt_f_raise_def_opp also include cnt_f_3bet_def_opp, etc? If so, how would you designate facing a single raise as opposed to re-raises?

(I just posted a question about built-in simple filters that I think relates to this issue: http://www.pokertracker.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19909.)

[WhiteRider]

Please just keep your questions in one place when they are about the same subject - we read every post and it's much easier to follow that way..

I replied to your other post.

Your assumptions here are correct.
A c-bet is still a bet, so cnt_f_bet_def_opp would count whether you faced a c-bet or a 'normal' bet (except that it is flg_f_bet_def_opp because you can only ever face one "bet" on any street).
3- and 4-bets are a subset of raises, yes. flg_f_face_raise includes any raise faced. To find hands where the player faced a single raise you would need to check for flg_f_face_raise AND NOT (flg_f_3bet_def_opp OR flg_f_4bet_def_opp).

[rowhousepd]

Got it -- a bit clumsy, but it works well enough. Thanks as always for the speedy response.... and sorry about the links to other posts. Oops. :oops:

[kraada]

No problem; I'm glad to hear you got it worked out :)