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Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby acepoint » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:23 pm

Hi folks,

I fiddled around a little bit with the stats:

1) Create and activate a filter similar to this one: "Preflop Raise Allin OR Flop Raise Allin OR Turn Raise Allin OR River Raise Allin OR Facing Allin Preflop OR Facing Allin Flop OR Facing Allin Turn OR Facing Allin River AND Went to Showdown"

2) Configure a new stats "EV Allin Luck" in "Holdem Tournament Hand" Section:
Name: EV Allin Luck
Title: EV Allin Luck
Value Expression: amt_bb_won - (amt_allin_expected / amt_bb)
Format Expression: format_number(amt_bb_won - (amt_allin_expected / amt_bb), 2, true, true)
(For your convenience you might want to duplicate "EV Allin Expected BB" and just change the entries mentioned above)

3) Create a new report in Holdem Tournament Hand with:
Hand #
Hand
EV Allin Equity
Pot
EV Allin Expected
Amount Won
EV Allin Expected BB
BB Won
EV Allin Luck

4) Run the report

You''ll find the result summary at the bottom of the table. You can also export the whole table into an excel sheet and make some nice progression diagrams.

Ciao

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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby kraada » Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:08 pm

Achim,

Have you uploaded this report to the repository? If not we would greatly appreciate it if you did.
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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby acepoint » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:45 pm

Done. Didn't know yet that this repository exists.

Ciao

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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby kraada » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:14 pm

Thanks!
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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby PJs Ronin » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:16 am

Damned if I can find it in the repository.
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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby WhiteRider » Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:32 am

It will need to be approved before it appears - hopefully this won't take long, I've asked the person in charge to have a look.
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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby zubs1aa » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:04 am

acepoint wrote:Hi folks,

I fiddled around a little bit with the stats:

1) Create and activate a filter similar to this one: "Preflop Raise Allin OR Flop Raise Allin OR Turn Raise Allin OR River Raise Allin OR Facing Allin Preflop OR Facing Allin Flop OR Facing Allin Turn OR Facing Allin River AND Went to Showdown"


THs Facing allin section is going to be close but no cigar. It'll show where someone gets allin against you, but misses say where you raise, A shoves, and you and B Both call but are not allin because you have A covered. You'll then go to the next street and continue playing.

I think you need to modify the facing allin clause somehow to solve for the cases so that it makes sure there is no side pot and continued action. I can't think of how to do it but it's the missing piece. Otherwise, nice work.
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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby acepoint » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:34 pm

Hi again,

I have to withdraw the stats I configured. Something in PT is going totally wrong:

CO: 2,760.00
BTN: 2,200.00
SB: 2,570.00
Hero (BB): 800.00
UTG: 3,050.00
MP: 2,120.00

SB posts SB 120.00, Hero posts BB 240.00

Pre Flop: (pot: 360.00) Hero has 2:club: 2:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2,200.00 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 560.00 and is all-in

Flop: (1720.00, 2 players) A:diamond: 6:spade: J:heart:

Turn: (1720.00, 2 players) Q:spade:

River: (1720.00, 2 players) 4:diamond:

BTN shows 6:club: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
Hero shows 2:club: 2:diamond: (One Pair, Twos)
BTN wins 1,720.00

The stats show:

allin equity: 53.14 (correct)
pot: 1720 (correct)
net expected won: $106.35 (false, it should be 0.5314*1720 - 800 = 114.01 (rounded))
net expected won BB: 0.22 (false, it should be 114.01/240 = 0.475)
amount won: -800 (correct)
BB won: -1.67 (false, it should be 800/240 = -3.33)

Does anyone know, where the wrong numbers do come from?

Ciao

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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby zubs1aa » Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:01 pm

acepoint wrote:Hi again,

I have to withdraw the stats I configured. Something in PT is going totally wrong:


allin equity: 53.14 (correct)
pot: 1720 (correct)
net expected won: $106.35 (false, it should be 0.5314*1720 - 800 = 114.01 (rounded))
net expected won BB: 0.22 (false, it should be 114.01/240 = 0.475)
amount won: -800 (correct)
BB won: -1.67 (false, it should be 800/240 = -3.33)

Does anyone know, where the wrong numbers do come from?


Huh? might not be an expert here, bu why do you think the expected won for Hero is .53 * 1720 -800 ?

Edit: Duh i get it. 532% he wins the pot, rest of time he loses 800. I concur with your 114!

However plz see my post above about where I think you were going wrong with your facing allin filter ;)
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Re: Alternative to TourneyLuck?!

Postby acepoint » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:24 pm

I thhink I found at least one error in the stats definition:

amt_bb is defined as "(tourney_holdem_blinds.amt_bb * tourney_holdem_blinds.val_nlpl_mult)" and should be "(tourney_holdem_blinds.amt_bb)".

amt_bb_won is defined as "tourney_holdem_hand_player_statistics.amt_won / (tourney_holdem_blinds.amt_bb * tourney_holdem_blinds.val_nlpl_mult)" and should be "tourney_holdem_hand_player_statistics.amt_won / (tourney_holdem_blinds.amt_bb)"

But I still get wrong numbers in the summary at the bottom of the report. I don't know how these numbers are generated. In a 1836-allin-hands sample I get only +39.53 "Net Expected Won BB" in PT sum but +1,440.30 when I export the table into an Excelsheet and sum it up there. And, of course accordingly +1,824.66 "luck" in the PT sum but only +423.95 in an Excelsheet.

However plz see my post above about where I think you were going wrong with your facing allin filter


Yep, still in the pipeline and thx for pointing on it. But assuming that your case occurs around 1 out of 40-50 times I disregard it for today ;-).

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